Monday, 31 July 2017

Viktor Orban: "Over the next few decades will Europe remain the continent of the Europeans?"

"In Central Europe we believed that Europe was our future; today we feel that we are the future of Europe...
"However much of a taboo one is breaking by saying it, there is no cultural identity in a population without a stable ethnic composition. The alteration of a country’s ethnic makeup amounts to an alteration of its cultural identity. A
strong country can never afford to do something like that – unless some global catastrophe forces it to do so...."
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said a week ago during a visit to Romania that European Union leaders and Hungarian-American billionaire George Soros are seeking a "new, mixed, Muslimised Europe."

Viktor Orban is probably a demagogue and, to use an oft misused word, a populist, the Hungarian government is very unsatisfactory from some points of view and people say it is very corrupt, but he is the man who on immigration and the future of Europe, the issue of greatest historical significance in this century, makes sense.

In the speech he made to the Open University student camp at Băile Tuşnad, his distrust

of multinational companies and foreign ownership of Hungarian companies worry me but it's a very good and timely speech. 

American analyst Francis Fukuyama thinks Mr Orban a 'mini-Trump', by which he did not intend a compliment to either man, and called this speech a 'full-throated defense of ethno-nationalism, replete with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories', but there is nothing anti-Semitic in it. Jews, Israel or Zionism are not mentioned or alluded to. Only George Soros is.

Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, caught by a microphone in Budapest three days earlier, had said more or less what Mr Orban is saying, that Europe should shut its doors to migrants.

'Ethno-nationalism', in case the idea is new to you, is basically an American concept, invented to contrast with 'civic nationalism'. Ethnic nationalism, otherwise known as blood and soil nationalism, is nowadays considered dangerous by Americans, or rather American academics, because the USA is not an ethnic state but an immigrant country with a long history of racism, trying to come to terms with its history. Hungary has her history of racism too, of course, but what Viktor Orban is talking about sounds to me like patriotism.

His point abut the importance of focusing on the number of immigrants and descendants of immigrants among young people, rather than the general population, is of course a good one. An opinion poll recently showed that 25% of 15 year-olds in France identify themselves as Muslim and there is evidence to suggest that over 70% of new born babies in Greater Paris have two non white parents. Almost a third of primary school children in England and Wales have 'an ethnic minority [this term means non-white] background'. 28% of children born in England and Wales in 2016 were born to women born outside the UK.

Do European electors want to go further in this direction? Opinion polls always show very clearly that they do not. 25% of British people asked in a survey in 2014 said that they would like all immigrants to be deported. A further 23% declined to answer the question. See p 17 of the survey here.

As I have said before, I fear that Germany which twice destroyed Europe because of mad nationalism is now on course to destroy it because of mad internationalism.

Here are two more excerpts from Viktor Orban's speech.
"..Over the next few decades the main question in Europe will be this: will Europe remain the continent of the Europeans? Will Hungary remain the country of the Hungarians? Will Germany remain the country of the Germans? Will France remain the country of the French? Or will Italy remain the country of the Italians? Who will live in Europe? This is a historical question which we must face up to today. As regards the specific situation – and this is quite telling about the world that we live in today – there’s no concrete, reliable information on the percentages of traditional indigenous Christians and the incoming Muslim communities living in Europe’s individual countries. In practice it is forbidden to gather information like this. And the data which is gathered is not adequate for us to predict what the future holds for us, as migrants, immigrants, are not evenly distributed throughout the different age groups. So the general figures say little about what awaits us. We should focus most on people under the age of 15, and also those between 15 and 45. From those figures we can project, we can calculate, what the situation will be like in each country in, say, 2050.

"Sparing no money and effort, every year the Hungarian government commissions an extensive international survey in order to find out what the European people think about these issues. This is not about what their leaders think, because we know that. The suspicion is that the opinions of the people don’t coincide with those of their leaders. This year’s survey showed that, across the 28 European Union countries, 81% of EU nationals thought immigration to be a serious or very serious issue. At a pan-European level, 64% believe that immigration leads to increased crime, and 59% believe that immigration changes the culture we live in. As regards the performance of Brussels, 76% of European nationals say that Brussels’ performance on immigration is poor. When asked whether more power should be given to Brussels to resolve this situation, or if nation states’ powers should be strengthened instead, we find that 36% of European citizens expect a solution from Brussels and would give it more power, while 51% expect nation states to provide solutions. In Hungary, 25% of our fellow citizens – and this is not an insignificant number, as we’re talking about every fourth Hungarian – believe that more power should be given to Brussels. But luckily 61% of our fellow citizens think that Brussels should have less power, and we should even take back those powers that we previously transferred to it – or at least some of them."


  1. “We are attempting to convert a republic, European and Christian in its origins and character, into an egalitarian democracy of all the races, religions, cultures and tribes of planet Earth. We are turning America into a gargantuan replica of the U.N. General Assembly, a continental conclave of the most disparate and diverse peoples in all of history, who will have no common faith, no common moral code, no common language and no common culture. What, then, will hold us together?”

    Patrick J. Buchanan

    1. Yes very apposite. I remember reading and liking that article.

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  3. In a way it's ironic coming from a man representing a culture proud of its non-European past, proud of its nomad warriors who stormed civilized settlements generations ago before they were eventually assimilated into Central European culture - not before imposing their agglutinative language on the conquered.

  4. Hee hee. A good point. I have heard Romanians call Hungarians Asians. We don't know where the Slavs came from but it might well have been Asia. They speak Indo European languages though. I wonder when the Germans including the English entered Europe.

  5. " I wonder when the Germans including the English entered Europe."

    The Horse, the Wheel, and Language:
    How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World
    David W. Anthony

    Winner of the 2010 Book Award, Society for American Archaeology

    Roughly half the world's population speaks languages derived from a shared linguistic source known as Proto-Indo-European. But who were the early speakers of this ancient mother tongue, and how did they manage to spread it around the globe? Until now their identity has remained a tantalizing mystery to linguists, archaeologists, and even Nazis seeking the roots of the Aryan race. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language lifts the veil that has long shrouded these original Indo-European speakers, and reveals how their domestication of horses and use of the wheel spread language and transformed civilization.

    Linking prehistoric archaeological remains with the development of language, David Anthony identifies the prehistoric peoples of central Eurasia's steppe grasslands as the original speakers of Proto-Indo-European, and shows how their innovative use of the ox wagon, horseback riding, and the warrior's chariot turned the Eurasian steppes into a thriving transcontinental corridor of communication, commerce, and cultural exchange. He explains how they spread their traditions and gave rise to important advances in copper mining, warfare, and patron-client political institutions, thereby ushering in an era of vibrant social change. Anthony also describes his fascinating discovery of how the wear from bits on ancient horse teeth reveals the origins of horseback riding.

    The Horse, the Wheel, and Language solves a puzzle that has vexed scholars for two centuries--the source of the Indo-European languages and English--and recovers a magnificent and influential civilization from the past.

    1. Very interesting indeed. I wonder if it is a recoil from the Nazis that has made academics cautious about investigating this subject. I assume that proto Indo Europeans are what pre war people meant by the word Aryans?

    2. He covers this in chapter one:

    3. pdf link:


  7. "I fear that Germany which twice destroyed Europe because of mad nationalism is now on course to destroy it because of mad internationalism."

    Good line, except it was England that initiated both World wars not German nationalism.